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park1226 Posts: 102 |
posted 11-10-2012 11:08 PM
  
I have been looking unsuccessfully for months for early issue, 8 1/4" Tiffany English King dinner forks for our circa 1890 service. Hood, in his book on Tiffany flatware, states that prior to 1905 Tiffany dinner/table forks were approximately 8" in length. I am curious as to why this size fork is so scarce today given that they were standard issue from 1885 to 1905. Were other size dinner forks available during this period too that were preferred? The 7 1/2" size fork is readily available in the present market while my internet searches have not turned up any 8 1/4" English King forks. This situation really puzzles me and I would be interested in members' comments regarding the lack of availability of this size fork. An early Tiffany catalog might shed some light on this situation. IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 11-29-2012 02:36 PM
Just a guess on my part, but looking around on the web I spotted this size fork but the sellers had all listed it as a serving fork. Looks like just a big fork to me. Maybe the sellers were not aware that a dinner fork came in that size, so they are calling it a serving fork. Thoughts anyone? Jersey IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 11-29-2012 04:24 PM
Kings pattern teaspoon discussion in a former thread may interest you. The Marquand forks shown in this thread are 8 1/4” inches long and were referred to as banquet size when I purchased them. IP: Logged |
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park1226 Posts: 102 |
posted 11-29-2012 07:44 PM
Thank you both for your thoughts. I did review the earlier Kings pattern discussions and found them helpful. I think that I inferred incorrectly from Wm.Hood's statement in his Tiffany book (ref. p.75) that the 8 1/4" size dinner fork was the only size dinner, i.e. table fork, made before 1905. I would like to examine a Tiffany catalog from the early period just to see what were the dimensions of the table forks and whether there were banquet forks available. I know several other collectors who have also run into this situation and substitute Wm Bateman, 8 1/4" Kings forks. Clearly based on the limited supply it would appear that this large fork was purchased infrequently. They are very difficult to find. We have an ample number of forks but this has become an academic exercise for me. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 11-30-2012 03:20 PM
Just a wild guess - in addition to what has already been hypothesized, perhaps also some were melted down over the years as more modern US tastes have trended for the past 100 years to the smaller sized forks? IP: Logged |
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park1226 Posts: 102 |
posted 11-30-2012 04:00 PM
Kimo I do not think it is a wild guess. You make a very valid point. It reminds me of the anecdote in the Turner book that describes how Mrs.Grover Cleveland was annoyed with the weight and cumbersome size of White House flatware some of which dated back to Dolly Madison. She gathered it all up and sent it to the mint where it was melted and the resulting ingots used to produce new, more user friendly White House silver flatware. IP: Logged |
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