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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 05-13-2010 10:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Below is a teaspoon in a Kings pattern variant with the mark of James E. Spear of Charleston.


Does anyone know who actually made this pattern? Also this spoon has a pronounced shelf-like feature that surrounds the bowl. This feature seems more common on spoons made in France, but was used by several American manufacturers. Does anyone have a name for this feature or know who invented it? I think that this design feature would make the edge of the spoon last longer.

The design of this spoon is similar to that used by Tiffany, but it not quite the same

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 05-13-2010 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You might find this thread interesting: Tip Wear Compensation?

I find similar bowls on quite a bit of Scandinavian silver too. The most common misconception that I run across is that if they are pointy, they must be some type of fruit spoons.....

~Cheryl

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 05-15-2010 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Cheryl I had forgotten that discussion.

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ellabee

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iconnumber posted 05-21-2010 04:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ellabee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Telling one Kings pattern from another is my only real silver expertise. This one looks to me like the Dominick & Haff version.

I've put together a montage of the most similar of the different Kings versions as an aid to distinguishing them:

The differences are sometimes subtle, but not always. Krider's has a floret between the two anthemions (stylized honeysuckle shoots) where all the others have a dot. Wallace has extra side swirls above the lower set of scrolls. The tip of the Polhamus handle is a stylized shell, which in all the other versions becomes a boss with a 'crown' of beads.

That boss is one of the first things I look at; notice how the Krider, D&H, and Gorham versions have a horizontally flattened boss, while in the Wendt, Whiting, and Wallace versions it's more nearly round.

Another set of distinctions can be found by studying the anthemions and their positioning in relation to the lower set of scrolls.

The shape of the stylized nine-lobed shell in the upper handle is rounder in some versions (Polhamus, Wendt, Gorham, Whiting) and more elongated in others (Krider, Wallace), with D&H intermediate between the forms.

D&H and Krider are the two versions that most closely resemble each other; apart from the floret, the differences between the two are very subtle.

This topic, by the way, only just barely makes it into the 'before sterling' section: Krider began making his pattern while still working in coin, though the vast majority of his firm's production of the pattern was in sterling. Wendt Kings pieces that I've seen have all been either sterling or 950. Many, if not all, Polhamus or Polhamus & Strong Kings pieces were retailed by Tiffany and were sterling.

The version of Kings that prevailed in the pre-sterling era is the same as the British Kings pattern. The designs here, which came in as the sterling transition was getting underway, all have much more in common with the British 'Queens' pattern.

Added in editing 5/30/2010: The Tiffany version introduced in 1885, 'English King' by Charles Grosjean, isn't included in the photo montage because it isn't easily confused with the others. Its most distinctive characteristic is the shell - there are only seven lobes (vs. 9 in the others), with a thick, wavy outline around the lobes and dots nestled in each indentation. Another key: there are only five beads on the terminal (vs. 7 on the others). You can make out these characteristics in this thread (J.E. Caldwell - research), where Ulysses posted the patent image, but they're easier to pick up in the many photos of Tiffany English King pieces for sale around the web.

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iconnumber posted 05-21-2010 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ellabee,

Thanks. I think everyone will find this very helpful.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 05-21-2010 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ellabee. It is also interesting to note that the D&H pattern started in 1880. Mr. Spear died in 1871 so his business continued on after his death without a change to his mark.

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iconnumber posted 05-28-2010 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ellabee,

You may already have knowledge of the above variations in the Kings pattern, but if not the forks from the bottom up are marked for R and W Wilson, William Gale and Son, Samuel Wilmot, Jones, Low and Ball, and Frederick Marquand. They range in size from 7 ¾” to 8 ½”. The Marquand fork is the longest, but it and the Wilmot fork have the shortest tines. The Marquand fork is without a monogram, but does have an engraved bird. Perhaps that identified the owner. The rest all have monograms. The Wilmot fork is the only one that is down turned and the Wilmot and the Wilson forks are patterned only on the front side. The shoulders of each fork are different and there are slight variations in the pattern, but the differences really are rather minor.

I suspect that all of the forks were made by the marked silversmith except for the Wilmot fork.

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iconnumber posted 05-28-2010 11:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
On April 20, 1831, Robert Campbell, the Baltimore silver merchant, wrote to Thomas Charles Fletcher, asking him to make ". . . of dollar silver . . . 3 dozen of large sised forks & 3 do small sised forks." In July, Fletcher wrote back, "I did not understand your order for forks. You say 'let them be of the King's pattern & burnished' -- if you mean the pattern which [Thomas] Whartenby makes, I have not the dies, if the double thread & shell, I have them." Fetcher wasted no time devising his own variation on the pattern and by the end of the year was offering them to his clients


(letters and forks from Winterthur Library)

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 05-28-2010 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An earlier thread on the Kings pattern is worth reading again. The 1831 date on the letter you referenced does not settle the issue of when the Kings pattern was first introduced into the U.S., but it does seem to indicate that it was becoming very popular by this time.
Also the difference between Kings and Queens (English Queens & Kings Patterns) discussion would indicate that the William Gale and Son spoon shown several posts above is a Queens pattern as the shell on the front is convex. It has a date mark of 1852.

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iconnumber posted 05-29-2010 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ellabee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the wonderful side-by-side comparison of earlier Kings patterns, ahwt!
My "expertise", such as it is, is entirely in the later Queens-like versions from industrial makers.

Every maker of any size in the 1830s and 1840s pretty much had to have some verions of the pattern, and those early ones were mostly much closer to the British Kings:
- concave shell on the front of the handle, convex on the back;
- threaded stylized-shell at the top of the tip (echoed most clearly in the Polhamus 'Kings'), rather than a boss with beading above it;
- stylized leaves at the edges rather than scrolly swirls;
- one set of long thick side scrolls rather than two separate shorter thick scrolls around the out-swelling portions of the "fiddle"; and
- equal-sized anthemions rather than a taller on top of a smaller one.

There are exceptions to everything, and the Wm. Gale version's convex shell is most interesting to me. Gale held the patent for roller dies from 1826-1840, and during that period was one of the biggest makers of spoons in the country. Was a Kings version one of the patterns produced during that prolific period? Was it the one shown? If so, it's quite probable that the Gale version may have influenced those later makers in the sterling takeover period who went to the Queens-like form while calling it 'Kings'.

It's worth noting that the Gale pattern shown is a hybrid, rather than a full Queens version: still has stylized leaves on the side, equal anthemions, and one long set of side scrolls rather than two shorter ones.

Reed & Barton's 'Kings' and Gorham's 'Kings II' are like the British and early versions shown in ahwt's image.

[This message has been edited by ellabee (edited 05-29-2010).]

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iconnumber posted 05-30-2010 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Tablespoon marked for the retailers Clark, Pelletreau & Upson of Charleston c 1821-1823. I have seen quite a few pieces of single struck Kings marked by this firm, as well as the later Pelletreau & Upson of New York.

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ellabee

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iconnumber posted 05-30-2010 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ellabee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wev, thanks for that image. Is that the earliest instance of an American-made Kings you have?

Another example from that same decade is the one produced by Samuel Kirk. Like wev's example, the Kirk version is single-struck and with a down-turned handle, which made it quite "old-fashioned" within only a few years of its introduction -- yet it stayed in production deep into the 20th century.

There's a piece of Kirk 'King' on one of the big antiques sites in which the leaves along the sides are intricately textured with chasing, a subtle evocation of the patterns for which the firm is better known.

[This message has been edited by ellabee (edited 05-30-2010).]

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iconnumber posted 05-30-2010 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ellabee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just recently I saw on a big auction site a listing for a set of 'Kings' pieces all with retailer marks from the same Philadelphia company. More than half of them are the unmistakable Peter Krider Queens-style version of Kings, with the tell-tale floret; the rest are the 'true' Kings style (i.e., the version still made as Kings in the U.K., the style shown in ahwt's and wev's images).

They also all have the lion-S-shield mark that is often said to be the maker's mark of George Sharp. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but he didn't make those Krider pieces. Another theory about that mark is that it was Bailey's symbol for sterling, which makes more sense in this case than Sharp putting his maker's mark on pieces immediately identifiable as Krider's in the Philadelphia market.

At any rate, the set is an interesting juxtaposition of the two versions at the moment that 'Kings' was transitioning from the original to the Queensy style.

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