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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-13-2010 02:24 PM
  
[26-0895 12-0271] July 18, 2010 and July 24, 2010 UPDATE Click on the following link to goto the thread for discussion of the PDF project: Publications in PDF downloading project. To sign up please go to this thread: Members, We are going to try something different. The following offer is only for a limited time and only for members who have posting access to this forum (i.e., posting privileges in all SSF public forums). Members who post to this thread between now and 07/27/2010 will be sent a link to download a PDF copy of the 1910 Black, Starr & Frost publication: "Through 100 Years, Black, Starr & Frost, 1810-1910" If members have a catalog that they would like to recommend or to share for future downloads please let us know. Make sure your SSF e-mail address is up to date/current by checking your SSF User Profile (click here). IP: Logged |
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Silver Sails Posts: 8 |
posted 07-13-2010 03:01 PM
I'd like to get a copy. Thank you. SS. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 07-13-2010 04:25 PM
Thanks Scott. I would like to access the web site and downlosd a copy. Art IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 07-13-2010 04:30 PM
Very nice, Scott! Please count me in, and thank you. ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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DB Posts: 252 |
posted 07-13-2010 05:00 PM
I would like a copy, thanks, IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-13-2010 06:22 PM
I might not have been clear .... On 07/27/2010 I will close this thread and then send the link to the BS&F document to everyone who requested it by posting in this thread. After 7/27/2010 the BS&F document will no longer be available. Please don't e-mail asking for the link. Thanks. IP: Logged |
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chase33 Posts: 362 |
posted 07-13-2010 08:38 PM
I would very much love to have a copy. Sometimes I think that the research is more exciting than the actual acquisition (but only sometimes!). Regarding potential other catalogues, how would you like to handle that? Should we send you a list or a pdf file or what? Most of what I have are Gorham related but I do have some other info that might be of interest. Robert IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-13-2010 11:20 PM
I think it might be good to prepare two lists:
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Hose_dk Posts: 400 |
posted 07-14-2010 12:47 AM
Please include me as well. IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 07-14-2010 05:59 PM
Count me in. I do have one thing to conribute that might be of interest - a 1920's German Jeweler's Yearbook that shows several hundred German Art Deco-era silver & jewelry trademarks. Also, what about members' primary research, like my Austrian Assay Office Code Chart? I have a few things like it that may be of interest (including a more in-depth version of the same chart) but which are just too unwieldy to try to put into ubb or html. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-15-2010 04:35 PM
blakstone, It would be great to be able to make these materials available. Everyone, I have started compiling a list of might be considered. I am sure as I rummage through things there will be other materials to add to the list below . The below list is my first pass -- what we need to do is to hear from everyone to determine if there is enough interest and then to figure out which publications should be done first. Please know its more than just scanning. Its a lot of work to properly prepare the PDF for downloading. The first list in No particular order
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-16-2010 03:17 PM
Of the items on the above list, it would be good to know what everyone is interested in? And to know what is the desired order? Without this information we are left with the belief that no one is interested. IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 07-16-2010 03:41 PM
I would be most interested in: AK The Meriden Silver Plate Co - Catalog 1883 R Gordon, Mackay & Co. - 1922 catalogue AC Silversmiths Art & Ecclesiastical Metal Work - Benziger Brothers Factory - 1894 IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 07-16-2010 04:04 PM
Number 1 for me would be [S.] Gorham catalogs -1880-1900, followed by [A.] (blakstones's) - a 1920's German Jeweler's Yearbook and [AJ.] The Gorham Chafing Dish Book -1899. ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 07-17-2010 12:43 AM
I will enjoy any that you choose but my top three would be; Through 100 Years, Black, Starr & Frost, 1810-1910", Catalog of an Exhibition of Silver Used in NY, NJ, and the South, and the Elias Pelletreau Book. IP: Logged |
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DB Posts: 252 |
posted 07-17-2010 08:07 AM
Blakstone's "My Austrian chart" is taken from Alfred Rohrwasser: Oesterreichs Punzen, Edelmetall-Punzierung in Oesterreich von 1524 bis 1987, page 47..... I do think it is important to give sources for charts and material - IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 07-17-2010 11:01 PM
For the record, I have never seen a copy of Rohrwasser's book in my life. The information in my chart is taken entirely from a careful study of the original Austrian laws themselves, which are available here: ALEX. If the information is duplicated in Rohrwasser, then it is only evidence that my research is both thorough and accurate. I think it is important to know all the facts before accusing someone of plagiarism. I have disabled the maligned web page, and I retract my offer to supply research or information to this project. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-18-2010 11:14 AM
I can see how blakstone would think it is being suggested that his charts came from somewhere else. I don’t think (hope) that it was the real intent. I suspect it was just a mention of another source for similar info. This way those who are interested in similar information could find it right away (before it is available as a blakstone PDF). Or maybe it was offered for comparison. I suspect the information in both are not exactly the same. When it comes to historical info/documentation it is often good to see more than one source. Frequently it is the little differences that are very revealing. Blakstone has helped so many here at the SSF with answers and often the answers are immediate. I suspect blakstone retains in his head and personal notes an extraordinary amount of information. I am sure some portions of the information would be available, in one form or another, elsewhere but I expect not as blakstone has compiled it. I would hate for all of us to lose the opportunity to have some insight to what blaksone’s years of experience has provided. ---- ----- ---- ----- ---- ----- ---- ----- In general, we have many different types at the SSF. Each can have a different approach. For some new collectors it’s important to get an answer - any answer. For the pure historian it is a matter of making sense of the historical references and this requires an understanding of the source material and how/why it might be different. For the professional silver handler, it comes from the experience of comparing real silver to available info and to see if it makes sense. And when the silver before you doesn’t make sense then to use one’s real handling of silver experience to make sense of things. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-18-2010 11:39 AM
July 18, 2010 UPDATE (added to the start of this thread) ---- ----- ------ ---- ----- ------ ---- ----- ------ ---- ----- ------ Use this thread for discussion. To sign up please go to this thread: IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 07-18-2010 05:21 PM
Blakstone is owed an apology, the tone and intent of the maligning post seemed pretty clear..... ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-18-2010 05:34 PM
I would like to add my own small endorsement to Scott's statement. Those of us given to research gather up facts where we can find them in the historical record, sorting and sifting and weighing one to the other. Our horde assembled, we put them in order and present them for inspection in what we presume to be a clear and logical fashion. If someone else, at another time and place, does the same in their own manner, it is not an occasion for consternation and concern, but rather an opportunity to parse the differences and celebrate the verifications. Personally, while I have no interest in the twists and turns of Austrian silver, the idea of losing any resource because of some perceived resemblance to another saddens me no end. I sincerely hope the matter will be reconsidered. IP: Logged |
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swarter Moderator Posts: 2920 |
posted 07-18-2010 10:11 PM
I endorse each of the statements by Scott and WEV, and hope that Blakstone will reconsider. There is an old adage about sticks and stones that might apply here. It also reminds me that a stone in one cherry should not be allowed to spoil the whole pie. IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 07-18-2010 11:12 PM
Blakstone, I hope you reconsider. Your posts and original research are a joy to read. I look forward to reading each and every one of your posts and the insights that you provide in how to conduct research. Art IP: Logged |
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wev Moderator Posts: 4121 |
posted 07-18-2010 11:33 PM
quote: And I, for one, am a very big fan of cherry pie. IP: Logged |
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adelapt Posts: 418 |
posted 07-19-2010 04:52 AM
Me too, especially New Orleans cherry pie... IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-20-2010 11:24 AM
If anyone knows blakstone please let him know about all the support he as gotten and that everyone wants him to stick with us. Thanks IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-24-2010 07:59 AM
July 18, 2010 and July 24, 2010 UPDATE ---- ----- ------ ---- ----- ------ ---- ----- ------ ---- ----- ------ Click on the following link to goto the thread for discussion of the PDF project: Publications in PDF downloading project. To sign up please go to this thread: IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 07-24-2010 03:54 PM
My apologies if it seemed I was ignoring everyone's kind words; I was occupied with pressing work and personal matters. It was never my intention to withdraw from these forums, and I regret that my post was interpreted that way. I meant only what I said: that I have disabled the Austrian Assay Office Code page and that I retract my offer to submit research to this PDF project. Given the very supportive posts here, though, I will reconsider the matter while I am on vacation over the next week. However, I am admittedly still stung by an ill-informed and unwarranted accusation of plagiarism which I again vehemently deny and yet, I note, evidently still stands against me. I will have think very carefully if I am willing to leave myself open to further accusations by sharing my personal notes and research from primary sources. No, one stone does not spoil the whole pie, but it will put you off cherries for a while if you're the one whose tooth gets cracked. [This message has been edited by blakstone (edited 07-24-2010).] IP: Logged |
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