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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 02-18-2009 07:15 PM
  
Hello! Received a question from a friend asking if any Tiffany sterling silver is made in Italy, or being so marked. I have seen pieces marked Italy but are they authentic or fake. Thank you as always for your assistance. Jersey [This message has been edited by jersey (edited 02-18-2009).] IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 02-19-2009 01:31 PM
I can't say about your friend's piece specifically, but for many decades, yes, Tiffany has farmed out some of their silver manufacturing to other countries. I have seen Italy, Mexico, and a couple others on authentic Tiffany pieces. IP: Logged |
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mdhavey Posts: 164 |
posted 02-19-2009 01:56 PM
I've had a couple of Tiffany pieces from Italy. Genuine Tiffany Italy items should contain an additional mark of the maker, this one is from Argenteria Galbiati S.r.l., Milano, and is a well documented Italian silversmith. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 02-19-2009 03:45 PM
Here's a Tiffany & Co Italy mark that looks like it is legitimate, but it would be interesting to hear otherwise. IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 02-19-2009 07:47 PM
Dear Paul & mdhavey! Thank you so much, I'll pass on your invaluable info to my friend. I'll tell them to look for the additional marks. With so much coming out of other countries I'm concerned myself. Is there a list of makers somewhere for these items. How did you determine the maker mark? I'm also curious as to the marks put up by bascall. Jersey [This message has been edited by jersey (edited 02-19-2009).] IP: Logged |
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mdhavey Posts: 164 |
posted 02-19-2009 08:42 PM
According to Tardy, Italian silver since 1934 has a lozenge which is the legally registered supplier's mark, consisting of an identification number and the abbreviation for the province of origin. Bascall's item has a maker's ID number of 20 and a province abbreviation of AL, which is probably Alessandria. There is a web site somewhere, I can't seem to put my fingers on the URL just now, that will give you the name of the silversmith that owns the registered ID number. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 02-19-2009 09:03 PM
Here is the url for a site that has a sampling of the information mdhavey is referring to: HALLMARKS OF ITALIAN SILVER (LATE 19TH AND 20TH CENTURY) IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 02-19-2009 09:21 PM
I believe all of Tiffany's Elsa Peretti hollow ware designs (pitchers, tureens) were manufactured in Italy. I know other designs were made for them in Italy before Peretti--their Van Day Truex bamboo/palm tree candlesticks (which go with the bamboo flatware). I don't know if any of them are still made, or whether they might make some of them in their US workshop. IP: Logged |
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taloncrest Posts: 169 |
posted 02-20-2009 08:28 AM
Blakstone has let us in on his secret for Italian manufacturers in this thread (peruzzi firenze teapot). I use this a lot. Most of my Italian silver is later 20th century, so I've had good luck here. IP: Logged |
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bascall Posts: 1629 |
posted 02-20-2009 10:20 AM
This has turned out to be a very useful thread. Until reading this topic I had assumed the extra mark, 20 AL, on my Tiffany piece had something to do with export. Thanks for starting this topic jersey and all the great inputs. [This message has been edited by bascall (edited 02-20-2009).] IP: Logged |
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jersey Posts: 1203 |
posted 02-20-2009 07:34 PM
Blessings to all of you! mdhavey, bascall, Mr. Dietz, & taloncrest (I love that name)...& blakstone. You all are a treasure trove of information. My head is spinning. I have to, given my condition, re-read this a number of times to absorb it all. I just wanted you all to know ASAP that I am grateful, as my friend will be when I tell them. As they say knowledge is power, & makes for a better collector & buyer. Thank You all again such a pleasure! Jersey IP: Logged |
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