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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 02-13-2018 08:14 PM
  
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Vetdaddy Posts: 70 |
posted 02-13-2018 08:33 PM
Polly, to quote you: "I'm going to do my best to cool it with the ladles" .....good luck with your addiction, as I certainly have found no cure for mine!!! Just when I feel I am on the road to recovery, on is my computer.....and off I go searching.....and searching.....and searching....
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 02-14-2018 10:56 AM
The Gorham Lady's pattern is AWESOME! You must update with pictures!  I have a sugar spoon in a variant of Lady's, I've seen mine called "Olive Branch" I need an example of Lady's with the hand holding on to the bowl. One of these days... IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 02-27-2018 01:51 PM
My Gorham Lady's Pattern ladle is here! It's marked with the Gorham marks, STERLING, and PAT.APPL.FOR, which I believe puts it before 1868, when the patent was granted. It's 7 3/4 inches long (they come in different lengths) and very roughly 2 1/2 ozt. In some of these photos I show it with my Lady's Pattern silver tongs, which is marked PAT'68 instead. The tongs is wearing a ring on its right hand; the ladle is holding the bowl with its right hand, but no ring. Both are wearing lace gloves (you can see the remains of the applied lace texture in the low spots, but most of it has worn off), with different lace cuffs. I love this pattern so much. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 02-28-2018 09:33 AM
Just WOW! Those are so cool together. This is a pattern that excites me when I see it. In my opinion it's one of the very best of all time! Congrats on the new ladle! IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 02-28-2018 10:52 AM
Thank you, TJ! I wish I knew more about the designers who came up with these things. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 03-01-2018 09:10 AM
Gorgeous, Polly - nice monogram too... ~Cheryl IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 03-01-2018 10:02 AM
From my research, it was designed by George Wilkinson. Carpenter's book likely says a lot about him, I need to dust that book off and actually read it one of these days. It's on the to do list. He designed a lot of those early and interesting patterns around then. They made some splendid patterns in the 1860's that's for sure! IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 03-01-2018 10:56 AM
Thanks, Cheryl! EFA (or AFE or EAF etc), right? TJ, I obviously need to get that book! IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 03-01-2018 11:46 AM
Gorham Silver and he did one for Tiffany. Both are great books and at least when I got my copies, they had dropped in price. Hopefully you can obtain a copy reasonably. IP: Logged |
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dragonflywink Posts: 993 |
posted 03-01-2018 03:46 PM
I'd say 'EFA' too - should be in order of the sizes, with the largest initial for the surname, but it can be really hard to read those fancy entwined monograms. My Carpenter 'Gorham Silver' is the first printing, beat up and very used (a Lady's ladle similar to yours is pictured on page 85), and the Tiffany book is well worn as well, Dr. Hood's 'Tiffany Silver Flatware' is also one of my favorites, great for lovers of flatware, regardless of maker. Wilkinson was Gorham's chief designer from 1860 to 1891, and superintendent until his death in 1894 - he did obtain patents on similar 1860s patterns, and believe he was the designer of Lady's too, though I've looked over the years, and haven't yet found its patent. ~Cheryl [This message has been edited by dragonflywink (edited 03-01-2018).] IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 03-01-2018 07:58 PM
I just ordered a copy of Carpenter's Gorham book from a used bookstore. I don't have any Tiffany silver, so I don't have any Tiffany books, but those sound like good ones. (Tiffany silver always seems to go for several times the price of similar objects by makers without currently fashionable designer names, so I prefer to spend my pennies on Gorham, Whiting, Shiebler, etc.) IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 03-01-2018 10:36 PM
I agree, Tiffany seems to always be priced higher, but on the high end, Gorham is every bit as good as Tiffany (if not better) In my humble opinion of course.
Here's my example: IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 03-02-2018 01:46 PM
That's a beautiful variation. Does it have a patent date? IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 03-02-2018 04:35 PM
To the best of my knowledge, it's also 1868. It only has the Gorham and STERLING marks, nothing else. IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 07-18-2018 03:39 PM
My latest addition is a small Gorham cream ladle with a poppy-shaped bowl in the New Tipt pattern, in its original box. (The angle of the photos make it look as though it doesn't fit in the box, but that's just an illusion. It does fit.) The interior of the bowl is gilded. It's marked STERLING, with the Gorham lion-anchor-G, and PAT '71. IP: Logged |
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asheland Posts: 935 |
posted 07-19-2018 10:09 AM
Excellent!!! IP: Logged |
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Silverpath Posts: 91 |
posted 01-23-2022 05:32 PM
I came across this thread looking for something else and realized that my little ladles would qualify as a collection, too! A large matching service refers to the Tiffany Japanese (1871), Gorham Bird’s Nest and Whiting Lotus examples below as Devonshire cream ladles. In his book on Tiffany flatware Dr. Hood discusses the use of small ladles for Devonshire cream (as opposed to cream pitchers) but doesn’t indicate that Tiffany used the term. Gorham and Tiffany examples are illustrated below. The Gorham Corinthian ladle is pierced and probably intended as a sugar sifter. Another Whiting ladle is pictured with one like Polly previously posted. Polly's rustic wood-decorated ladle from Page 1 of this post was made by Towle in 1880. Apparently this is a rare example of Towle’s naturalistic period. Some of the naturalistic pieces were unmarked. Several examples of this model are imaged in the online archives of silver dealers. Those examples are marked with Towle’s lion T and “Sterling/71B” or “Sterling/71.” [This message has been edited by Silverpath (edited 01-23-2022).] IP: Logged |
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ahwt Posts: 2334 |
posted 02-09-2022 03:25 PM
These are all wonderful ladles for a collection. Does any one know who first came up with the ides of a bucket like bowl and the erect position for the handle. These features seem to have started in the 1860s and became very popular. [This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 02-10-2022).] IP: Logged |
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Silverpath Posts: 91 |
posted 02-09-2022 10:46 PM
If I'm following the question, I suspect the bucket form of the cream ladle bowl was an allusion to milk buckets. There are butter dishes from the same period in the US and Europe that are bucket forms. As for the handle, Dr. Hood in his Tiffany flatware book has an interesting side view comparison of the backward sweep of cream, sauce, and gravy ladles. Cream ladles are the most vertical. IP: Logged |
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Silverpath Posts: 91 |
posted 02-10-2022 08:33 PM
More photos of this ladle on another post but it fits here, too.. George Sharp attr: IP: Logged |
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Polly Posts: 1970 |
posted 06-19-2022 06:02 PM
Silverpath, I love all your ladles--you have a delightful collection. IP: Logged |
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Silverpath Posts: 91 |
posted 06-19-2022 11:59 PM
Thanks, Polly! IP: Logged |
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