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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-08-2007 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
June & I received this from a friend who found it at a flea market in NYC. The cup is about 2.5 - 3 inches high.

We both feel we have seen the mark before but just can't place it. It is nicely done and has an interesting pedestal which is made of the letters O W G A.

Before we go mad trying to remember, maybe someone here will have a better memory?

Your help is appreciated. Thanks

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2007 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could it be Charla Ilgner, an accomplished jeweler, silversmith and art teacher? If my facts are correct, she was born in Sacramento, CA on 21 July 1906 and died in Humbolt, CA on 27 August 1997.

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2007 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you.
It sounds right to me. I am pretty sure I have seen the mark before but I still can't figure out where.

I have written to someone who may be her nephew. I hope they will reply with more information. I'll post what I learn.

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2007 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the things the initials O W G A could stand for is the Oregon Women Golfers Association. Of course there's a lot of other things that would work too. On second thought, it's probably too small for that. Oh well!


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iconnumber posted 07-08-2007 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe it is Maria Reigner (sp?), who worked in Gerogia in the mid 20th C. Looked at the right way, the first word above the mark does read Maria. She did a lot of work with these sorts of large block letters. I will see what else I can dig up about her. Great cup!

Brent

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iconnumber posted 07-08-2007 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Brent:
I believe it is Maria Reigner (sp?), who worked in Gerogia in the mid 20th C. Looked at the right way, the first word above the mark does read Maria. She did a lot of work with these sorts of large block letters. I will see what else I can dig up about her. Great cup!

For what it's worth the topic "Modern Silver" posted 06-23-2006 11:23 PM has an example of a Maria Regnier mark in one the replies. (In the "Modern Silver" thread, see FredZ's post on 03-29-2007 at 11:48 AM )

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iconnumber posted 07-09-2007 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My guess is it by Charla Ilgner.

The lettering is not quite the same quality of craftsmanship as the base and the cup which is very finished. Perhaps it was a craft show “while you wait” purchase. The cup and the base were done in advance and the lettering quickly done for a waiting customer who wanted the initials OWGA?

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iconnumber posted 07-09-2007 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I too believe it is Charla Ilgner. I have just emailed her Great nephew to see if he has examples of her work and more indepth information by her. It would be nice to write an article of her and her work.

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The craft show idea is good but not easy for me to go along with! The time it takes to design, cut out and solder letters like these seem to have it done in the workshop...

More likely this was a new idea/design and she had not refined it.

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iconnumber posted 07-10-2007 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is some fast and loose Internet research.....

Charla Ilgner
There is a web site which indicates a middle name of BOONE
Although on one web site there is a death record for Charla Ilgner (1997) there is also one of those "people searches" sites which indicates she is alive (101) and living in Phoenix, Az. I didn't feel like paying for the additional info hinted at by the "people search"....
There also appears to be a Charla Ilgner in Laguna Beach, Ca. and in Palo Alto, Ca. and possibly in Redwood City, Ca.
Sister?: ILGNER, ELEANOR
BREES, ELEANOR I (Age 103) (another record indicates she died at age 90 OCT 09 1994, San Francisco, California
The nephew's last name is Brees.

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I believe the Boone middle name is correct and Eleanor is Charla's older sister. Eleanor was born in 1905. Eleanor appears to be the grandmother of the Grandnephew who has been discussed in earlier in this thread. Eleanor Ilgner Brees died in San Francisco on 9 October 1994.

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iconnumber posted 07-11-2007 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After my leaving school, oh so many years ago, I also count myself lucky enough to have had at least two influential instructors. I am very sure they have passed yet like Charla Ilgner not their lasting impressions.

We saw a mention on the Internet of Charla Ilgner being a favorite instructor of Sue...

We contacted Sue asking

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We saw an Internet guest book where you said Charla Ilgner was your favorite Art teacher.

For discussion, we have posted a cup on the Silver Salon Forums which we believe was made by Charla Ilgner. See: Charla Ilgner, jeweler, silversmith & art teacher?

Could you confirm that this is her mark and tell us more about her and her work?



Very promptly we got the following reply:
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Hi Scott and June,
Wow! It's been so long. My classes with Miss Ilgner took place during 1959-1961. Sorry, I can't confirm her mark as I don't recall ever seeing it. I'm sure I did but my memory isn't what it used to be!!! Outside of high school, my most vivid memory of her was her annual exhibitions at Laguna Beach's Festival of Arts (You might contact the Festival if you haven't done so already: www.foapom.com). Her booth contained her beautiful woven works...at least that's what I remember! I made it a point for years to stop by her booth to say hi. She was one of those teachers who continues to impact my life! Such a wonderful lady.

I read the forum and would be very interested to know if Charla is, indeed, still alive...at 101! I would love to send her a card. During further research, if you find out she is living, do you mind letting me know? Your email has now generated an interest in finding a piece of her art to display in my tiny little place in paradise!

much aloha...Sue



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iconnumber posted 07-14-2007 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We heard back from the Great Nephew....
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Sorry for the delay, I am crazy busy right now! It looks like one of Charla's golf trophies. She was an avid golfer and made some trophies for the Oregon Womens Golf Association. I do not have a stock bio on her but you can contact my father (her nephew) for more info.

Jeff

contact: [private......]


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iconnumber posted 09-15-2007 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
    Charla circa 1940
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    Charla's nephew

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iconnumber posted 09-15-2007 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FredZ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scott,

Thanks for contacting the relatives. It is great that we are preserving the history for the future.

Fred

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iconnumber posted 09-19-2007 09:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ulysses Dietz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is absolutely one of the greatest little modernist things I've ever seen. Never heard of Charla Ilgner before, but now I'm a fan. I've seen lots of really REALLY dumb silver trophy cups, but this is a jewel. Very Jensenesque in its simple hammered finish--but the OWGA idea is wonderfully done. Silversmiths at this period seemed to have been proud of and happy to do small pieces well. No need to be big back then.

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I saw a handled sterling cup with a mounted cabachon on the handle at an antique mall in Tacoma, Washington by Ilgner. I regret that I did not have a camera. If anyone is interested I believe I can direct them to it.

Fred

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Two silverplate trophies by Ilgner, both heavy, and nicely made.

They look sort of like the ones on the right ends of the two top shelves on the Charla circa 1040 photo above.






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Every once in a while the internet yields yet another morsel of information. I found a listing of Champions who played at the Oregon Women's Golfers Association and in 1936 Charla Ilgner was a runners-up Champion.
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Thanks for adding another piece to the puzzle, Fred.

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