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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-19-2007 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote


Above is a presentation cup with Nathan Hobbs' mark and that is simply engraved with the name "Mary Ann Prentiss Holmes". Prentiss and Holmes do sound like old Boston names.

Above is the milled band around the top of the Hobbs cup.

Above is the milled band that was used for the pedestal type base for the Hobbs cup. This band is very similar to the band used on the Redman cup shown below.

The band below is from the Brasier cup that is also shown in the Redman thread.

Finally the Redman cup has a lower band, with stars, forming a pedestal at the bottom of the cup and is shown below.


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swarter
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iconnumber posted 03-20-2007 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The second band has been added using your earlier suggested name of "Leaf and vine." The third is alreeady there as "circle and stars." Can you provide another shot of the oak leaf band?

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-20-2007 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will try to get a better shot of the band. This is a great day for planting and I am tied up in the yard for awhile.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-20-2007 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Above are a couple of images of the Hobbs band. If these are not good enough I will try again.

The cups below are a beaker by Peter Krider for William Kendrick and a small cup with the mark of James Merriman.


Caldwell attributes this mark to James Merriman of Memphis, but also indicates that much of Merriman's work was made by Wood and Hughes. There is a very similar cup in his book in Figure 99 page 128, except it is slightly larger, the handle is different and what looks like the same milled banding is only on the bottom and not on the top. The Merriman cup above is engraved Laura Currin Keeble. It is 2 5/8 inches from the bottom to the top of the handle, 2 5/16 inches from the top to the bottom and 2 1/8 inches across the top and is the smallest presentation cup that I have. The form of the cup together with the handle makes it look earlier than the late 1850's. In any event the banding is only 1/8 inch wide and is shown below.

The Krider cup is a normal beaker with banding applied on the top and bottom rims. It is engraved E. Jefferson from her Husband. The banding is shown below.


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wev
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iconnumber posted 03-20-2007 07:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wev     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Laura Currin Keeble was the daughter of Horace Pinkney Keeble and Cassandra Currin, who were married in Murfeesboro TN on 22 Jun 1847.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-20-2007 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the interesting information WEV. I brought the cup in Franklin, TN just a short distance from Murfreesboro TN. I have never understood why anyone would want to remove names or monograms from silver. It seems to me that one is taking the life out of the piece by doing that.

Swarter thanks for posting all the bands. I think I still have a few to add. I was interested in the Hobbs cup because of the engraved name, but also because of the leaf and vine band. With the parallel lines behind the vine it is perhaps the Boston version of a Philadelphia band.

[This message has been edited by ahwt (edited 03-20-2007).]

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iconnumber posted 03-21-2007 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have added the Merriman band as "flowers, cables and beads." The other two are too blurry to sharpen adequately. Try backing away for greater depth of focus and then cropping the image before reducing the image to the 640 dpi width; focus on the closest point so the center of the band is sharp.

Thanks for posting all of these. There are a lot of bands out there, and we have barely scratched the surface.

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agleopar

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iconnumber posted 03-21-2007 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for agleopar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to thank all who are contributing to the band effort. It is a great project and it is nice to look forward to the new ones.

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ahwt

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iconnumber posted 03-23-2007 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ahwt     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Above is a new image of the PLK band. I will work further on the other images.

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vathek

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iconnumber posted 03-23-2007 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vathek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a milled band from a coin cup by Gorham:

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