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pixiegma

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iconnumber posted 04-11-2005 03:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixiegma     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just came across a oblong shaped bowl/dish with the Pairpoint Mfg. Co. mark on it. I have done some research, but the number under the mark on the bottom is confusing me. It reads B1213. Is that a pattern number? Would it be accurate to say the bowl/dish is 1880-1900? Thanks!

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Patrick Vyvyan

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iconnumber posted 04-11-2005 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your date seems roughly right - however a photo might help to narrow the style down.

In passing, I also note that the 1894 Pairpoint Catalogue was reprinted in 1997 (Antique Publishers; ISBN: 1570800286). Perhaps someone has it (or the original)and could check your piece? Perhaps too, there were other catalogues published by Pairpoint which members know of?

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pixiegma

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iconnumber posted 04-11-2005 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixiegma     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much. I will take a picture of it tonight and post tomorrow. So the B1213, for the most part, is a pattern number?

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 04-11-2005 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually the term part number is probably more accurate. Generaly, holloware does not have pattern type names. To avoid jumping to the conclusion that a piece is part of a pattern, it is better to think of this as a part or order number.

What does this look like?

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 04-12-2005 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe Pairpoint went out of business in 1958, then was later revived though as just a shadow of what they once were.

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pixiegma

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iconnumber posted 04-13-2005 10:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixiegma     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I finally have the picture for the Pairpoint piece I have, but I don't have a Web acct. to host my pictures. I don't know why I was thinking I would just have to attach them.
Thank you for all your help everyone.

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swarter
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iconnumber posted 04-13-2005 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for swarter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are any number of free image hosting sites you can use. Photobucket is one of the most popular. See: How to Post Photos

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pixiegma

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iconnumber posted 04-13-2005 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixiegma     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, I think I've got it.


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Patrick Vyvyan

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iconnumber posted 04-15-2005 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Patrick Vyvyan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest 20th century Pairpoint silverplate has me totally confused!

The latest "dated" pieces I have come across are marked as patented 23 February 1904: unfortunately I have never handled these pieces and so don't know their marks.

Similarly, I think all the marks I have seen include the term "Quadruple Plate", an expression which seems to have generally dropped out of use after about 1910.

And in terms of style, I have never seen any silverplate by Pairpoint which would appear obviously later than the turn of the century.

Apparently in 1894 the two related companies, the Mount Washington Glass Co and the Pierpoint Manufacturing Company formally merged to become the Pairpoint Corporation.

Also in 1900 I have read that the flatware department was sold to the Niagara Silver Co. (later to be taken over by Oneida, I believe).

So after the beginning of the century it seems the corporation concentrated on glass. One line was lamps which included metal fittings. So some silverplating facilities may have continued up to the Depression years.

From random notes extracted from the internet a while ago: "Pairpoint continued to experience financial difficulties, and some buildings and equipment were sold in 1938. The company reorganized in 1939 under the direction of Robert Gundersen and again specialized in quality hand-blown glassware. Isaac Babbit regained possession of the silver departments, and together they established Gundersen Glassworks, Inc."

So, who was Isaac Babbit? And what had happened for him to "regain" the silver departments?

The company moved from New Bedford to East Wareham, Massachusetts in 1957, but, as Kimo says, was out of business early the next year.

In 1970 a former sales manager relaunched the company at Sagamore - where it continues today - although apparently making only glass - see www.pairpoint.com

So, back to my original doubt: did Pairpoint produce silverplate after c.1904?
If so, what? And if not, why not? In general terms it seems that the American silverplate market went through hard times around 1900 (for example the International Silver merger/consortium can be seen as one solution to increasing economic presure), so was Pairpoint silverplate just another victim?

Hopefully someone can fill in the gaps in my very limited knowledge!

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pixiegma

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iconnumber posted 04-15-2005 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pixiegma     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sounds like you know your stuff pretty good. Thank you for the background. I find it so interesting to think this piece of silver could be older than my grandma, and she just turned 99.

Thanks everyone!

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 04-16-2005 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My general impression of Pairpoint has always been that the design is usually very good and the execution of it really bad. Over the years, platers have told me that Pairpoint is frequently not replateable. The metal will not carry a current with any dependability. I have seen lots of Pairpoint that was great in design and really bad in condition.

What little I have seen of 20th century Pairpoint has been associated with Skandinavian style glass. Never much of it, just little stands and lids and stoppers.

My suspision is that the poor quality of their workmanship finally caught up them. Just a guess, tho.

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