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RichardT Posts: 13 |
posted 06-11-2008 04:30 PM
  
[26-1672] In a recent thread Turtle in Diamond Mark Dale wrote: quote: I just wanted to add the following item to the knowledge base. There are a few of them around, and they're all silver plate. I believe the base metal is copper. This casserole dish is made by William van Erp, successor to Dirk. Overall dimensions are 17-1/8" x 10-7/8" with a height above the table of 2-3/4". Of the latter, 3/4" is from white plastic feet that are effective insulators -- the rest gets pretty hot when an oven-hot casserole is placed in it for serving. Here we see the profile and the maker's mark: I believe this is from the 1950's, though the design looks decades older. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-11-2008 05:12 PM
I've looked for the name D.van Erp and found some information. I get the impression that it was a person who made a lot of art and using different materials. Like the EP object showed, made around 1920. Why 1920? because they mention other work of this person made out of wood or hammered copper objects in that period. Perhaps all made in the style of art nouveau or art deco. There is also mentioned a firm Van Bergh Silver Plate Co. in one of the items found on internet. I like the showed pattern. IP: Logged |
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RichardT Posts: 13 |
posted 06-11-2008 05:23 PM
Silverhunter -- Dirk was the father. He was a very famous and influential metalsmith of the American craftsman period, so your 1920's date is correct. He is best known for copper work, and I don't believe he ever touched silver. His son William seems to have used the father's mark, though making things in different materials and in a much later style. To quote quote: IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-11-2008 06:55 PM
Thanks Richard for your reaction and explaining, now it's clear to me. Do you know in which period this family went to the U.S.A. At the B/W photo with his daughter Agatha I recognize a painting (just like van Gogh made a kind of)but I think it's a landscape paint from where they have lived in Holland or their grandparents? It was hard living in these days and hard work for to live if you see pictures like these.The other photo's explain the artistic person he was. Did his daughter Agatha also followed his artistic road? andre. [This message has been edited by silverhunter (edited 06-11-2008).] IP: Logged |
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RichardT Posts: 13 |
posted 06-11-2008 07:16 PM
Silverhunter - To quote from "American Arts & Crafts: Virtue in Design" by Leslie Bowman (pub. Little Brown, 1990) quote: The same source indicates that "Silver seems to have been used very rarely during the senior van Erp's direction." Finally "Van Erp's daughter, Agatha (United States, 1895 - 1978), and designer Thomas Arnold McGlynn (United States, 1879 - 1966) formed the decorating department, where nonhammered decoration such as piercing or stenciling was done." IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-13-2008 12:00 PM
Thanks for the explaining and information, nice to know about dutch people started a new life find a job (or create one) and find their new home. And art can be made and adore everywhere! Greetings silverhunter. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 06-13-2008 05:30 PM
Silverhunter, Dirk van Erp was one of the most famous 'Arts and Crafts' style artists in the US. His works are widely copied - both by companies that sell reproductions to people who want some metalwork that resembles van Erp's work, and by criminals who are trying to deceive unwary buyers. For example, one of his most famous objects are his hand hammered copper lamps with lampshades made with large sheets of yellow mica (a kind of rock that is found in sheets and is somwhat clear). If you were to go to an antique store to buy one of these lamps you would expect to pay more than most people earn in a year for an average example of one of his more common designs, and as much as the cost of a small house for a large and rare model in perfect condition. [This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 06-13-2008).] IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 06-13-2008 09:45 PM
My museum bought a great modernist sterling coffee service by William Van Erp--I still can't decide if it's 1930s or 1950s...I'll try to find a picture on Monday when I'm back in the office. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-14-2008 02:21 AM
It should be nice to see, so if I ever find a silverobject made by van Erp, in one of the second hand shops here in Holland, I let you know.You never know!It's like winning the jackpot but than is the question has it emotional, or has it artificial value to a person? It gives the feeling to find a Rembrandt etch between a lot of second hand books. It's good when silverobjects have their marks, because sometimes a painting/or drawing is found made by van Gogh(without a signature)and the foundation of van Gogh in Paris doesn't want to affirm it's a origanel one. But I have to concentrate to the subject, sorry! [This message has been edited by silverhunter (edited 06-14-2008).] IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-14-2008 02:28 AM
Kimo thanks again for excellent information, I'm always learning with your information that's for sure. IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 06-14-2008 06:07 AM
It was the same with the Roycrofters, who usually worked in copper, but they did silver plate some of their work and I believe they did make some items out of sterling. IP: Logged |
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Kimo Posts: 1627 |
posted 06-16-2008 09:40 AM
Silverhunter, It is always possible to find an original Rembrandt or other rarity, such as an original Dirk van Erp, in an antiques store where the owner does not know what they have, but as you suggest the chances are very small. Dirk van Erp is a very famous artist. If you do find something with his mark and the price is not exceptionally huge you need to expect that it is one of the great many reproductions that have flooded the market. IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-16-2008 12:07 PM
Kimo, Rembrandt is no rarity to me. William van Erp is a new silverhunting subject/object for me from now on! IP: Logged |
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Ulysses Dietz Moderator Posts: 1265 |
posted 06-16-2008 01:39 PM
Here is an image of our Dirk Van Erp Shop coffee set, by his son William Van Erp And a view of the mark IP: Logged |
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silverhunter Posts: 704 |
posted 06-16-2008 04:11 PM
"I've a dream", thanks Ulysses Dietz for showing this (I think) unique silverobject. IP: Logged |
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Dale Posts: 2132 |
posted 06-18-2008 12:27 AM
The easiest metal to silverplate on is copper. Very nice and quick process. And can be done at anytime in an item's history. Thanks for the information. IP: Logged |
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