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karen0713

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Registered: Jul 2007

iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for karen0713     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Good morning!

First to introduce myself. I first became interested in collecting silver and pewter after an accident last Sept which resulted in a permanent brain injury. I function quite well, but I'm still getting used to the "new" me. I enjoy shopping at thrift stores and garage sales and I am trying to learn as much as I can about my new interest.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome Karen! Thank you for introducing yourself and I look forward to your joining the discussions here as we all learn more about the endlessly fascinating topic of silver. Kimo

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karen0713

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for karen0713     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you! I think I forgot to post the question. I hope someone here can help me. I have a sugar and creamer set marked with a lion and BMC in a sheild. It looks pretty old and I was hoping that it's silver and not pewter or silverplate. I thought it might be Benedict Mfg Co, but I see their mark referred to as a bee. Does anyone recognise the lion bmc mark?
Thanks, Karen

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You will really need to post photos - both clear closeups of the markings and clear overall photos of of the objects. Without photos all anyone can do is guess since there are so many markings that are similar. Here is a link that tells you how to do this correctly: How to post photos

[This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 07-30-2007).]

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karen0713

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for karen0713     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oops
[img]http://auctionsuite.com/uploads/48hr_uploads/Resize Wizard-bmc1.jpg[/img]

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karen0713

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for karen0713     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I give up, what am I doing wrong?
Sorry, Karen

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Click on the paper and pencil editing icon at the top of this and it will reveal the exact format and coding you need to use. Compare this to what you typed.

Using this, try posting a closeup of the markings.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karen,

The URL for the image contains a space and for some browsers and many windows servers that is OK but much of the Internet is Unix based doesn't like it. To get around the problem where ever you want a space to be in the URL type %20.

So your image's file name

    Resize Wizard-bmc1.jpg
    Shoul look like: Resize%20Wizard-bmc1.jpg

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karen0713

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 07:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for karen0713     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's see if this works, thanks for the help, Karen
Yippee! Thanks for the editing help also!

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doc

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for doc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a mark used by Benedict Manufacturing Co. of East Syracuse, NY. They were in business from 1894 to 1953.

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karen0713

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for karen0713     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks! That's what I thought but then I read somewhere that their mark was a bee. Did they use different marks or am I just confused(again)? Karen

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 10:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karen,

I noticed your images are hosted on a site that is often used by sellers. Are you doing business research?

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karen0713

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iconnumber posted 07-30-2007 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for karen0713     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, but I did get that site from the discussion board on ebay, it's the only one I know how to use.
Karen

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 07-31-2007 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Hi Steve,
I see that you caught me. I really do have a TBI (tramatic brain injury)and I did used to be an accountant, however since the accident I'm unable to return to my job and now I'm trying to make some money and entertain myself by reselling. Actually reselling is the only way I can buy and enjoy any nice pieces for the time that I have them. Just because I sell doesn't mean that I'm not interested in learning about silver or in my case, silver plate and pewter because I never find any silver I can afford, but it's very hard to find any good information or anyone willing to educate me in the subject. Such is not the case with glass. Glassies are very willing to help others and I have learned a lot by asking questions. Silver people on the other hand are generally snooty as is the case with your organization. I did a lot of independent research on this piece before resorting to smpub, and I did get the same answer from the ebay forum, the reason I used your board was because of the bee question, which I read on your forums somewhere. Now I will never know. And I don't really trust the silver forum on ebay, I always double check if I find conflicting information. But I'm sorry I lied when I said I wasn't doing pre sale research. If I get stumped again, I'll be back, under a different screen name and with a different email and photo upload site of course. Thanks for the hint, I know how you caught me and I will be more clever next time dispite the TBI. If it wern't for that I would have been more clever this time. Why are silver people so stuck up? It's like a private club and it sure doesn't help to foster a passion for silver collecting. Glassies are so much nicer and willing to help others. I guess it's the same reason rich people leave crappy tips and poor people leave good ones, you don't know what it's like to struggle.
Karen

Karen,

In what way was I not bending over backwards to be welcoming, friendly and helpful to you?

I have a brother who went through the windshield when his car was hit head on by a drunk driver who swerved into his lane. He was in a coma for a month and when he awoke his brain injury was severe and permanent. He lost his job as a stock broker and his wife left him. His brain injuries are so severe that he can not even type on a computer much less do the kind of buying and selling you are doing. This was many years ago but he rebuilt his life and found productive and honest ways to spend his time.

Life is full of challenges but it is also filled with choices as to how we deal with them. If you choose to meet challenges in productive ways and be open and giving with those whom you encounter you will be happy most of the time. If you choose to be cynical and harsh you will only create more challenges.

[This message has been edited by Kimo (edited 08-01-2007).]

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DB

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Kimo,
I am very sorry to hear about your brother,with all your other comments and the ones on the other thread running about the same theme I agree wholeheartedely - even though I think one should not get too excited about people like Karen - a person who obviously needs a physician more than a glass- or silverexpert.

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Kimo

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iconnumber posted 07-31-2007 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kimo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks DB. I guess I reacted a little strongly and have edited my initial comments slightly. She hit a personal nerve.

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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 07-31-2007 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, hit the same nerve for me. Frankly, not very nice to judge strangers as rich, stuck-up, living lives without struggle, and a poor tippers on top of it - you really have no idea of the burdens others bear.

The rules of these forums are clear and in place for a reason, long-time members who are also dealers adher to them, cannot understand why anyone would feel that the guidelines shouldn't apply to them.

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 07-31-2007 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not so sure that glassies are much nicer than silver collectors. However, there are a lot more of them. And they tend to be more specialized than silver dealers.

Also, glass books are much more accesible than silver books. And a lot easier to read. I have shared my copy of Tardy with glass and china collectors. All of them found it incomprehensible.

Silver styles change much more slowly than glass and china styles. Which is why dating silver is so tricky. And so dependent on experience. All of which we have worked for years to learn. Many people here do appraisals and do not appreciate giving away the goods.

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tmockait

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Registered: Jul 2004

iconnumber posted 07-31-2007 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karen,

I am sorry for what you have gone through, but stand back a moment and read your own posts. You admit that you lied and got caught and then assert that next time you will be more clever, posting under a new name. Do you blame anyone for being a bit skeptical about the rest of your story?

Since you don't know any of us personally, I am wondering how you have concluded we don't know what it is like to struggle. Kimo shared one story. I am sure there are others. Had you candidly admitted your situation and need to raise money by selling, I am willing to bet one of the "stuck up" people might have offered to help you anyway, off of the forum.

Instead of trying be more clever, just be honest in the first place. The members are a good bunch and e-mail can create a mistaken impression that people are cooler than they really are.

Tom

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 07-31-2007 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karen (or would you prefer we used your stage name?),

You may be able to sneak back in "under a different screen name and with a different email and photo upload site of course" to disguise your real motives of using the SSF for business research. I hope you wouldn't bother. I also hope your threat to continue your abuse of the SSF is not genuine and that when you say "But I'm sorry I lied when I said I wasn't doing pre-sale research." you were sincere and that you will not continue the deceit.

The Guidelines and the New Members' Post Here Forum evolved because of the type of insensitivity, deceit & abuse which people like you have propagated at SSF. What you and others like you have done has had a very deleterious effect on all of us, New, Established, and future members alike. After such insensitivity, deceit & abuse, it is an unfortunate fact that there are established and very knowledgeable SSF members who don't look at the New Members' Forum at all now, having had their fill of such chicanery over the years. Many others continue to look, but wait to reply until the new member has done several posts over some period of time. Why? Because they don't want their good will and generosity to be perverted by deceptions which may not be apparent in a new member's first few posts. We are a civil, caring, and passionate group of Silver enthusiasts, expecting nothing more than to be treated in a like manner by all who would join us. We always listen to reasonable explanations, often give second chances, and try never to judge rashly or in haste.

In this case, however, all the online/offline/private dialog is 100% in agreement: we are terminating your posting privileges.

If you feel the need to express yourself additionally about this please send e-mail to info@SMPub.com.

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jersey

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iconnumber posted 07-31-2007 07:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jersey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Karen!

Whether we be princes or paupers, I'm sure many of us have had our struggles. I was taught by my Dad to keep it to yourself, not make people feel sorry for you, rise above it & go on, show them what you can do, do not make people feel sorry for you & your disabilities. Many doors closed for me but I opened news ones, as are you. Don't take advantage, it always comes back at you. Tom said it all.

I have had my attitude about the forum as well in the beginning, but I plodded on, & found out they are Great folks to be in the company of. Any group tolerating me has to be neat! Knowledge of silver is the thing here, and they have made me wanting more!!!!!!!

It's your decision. Do not try to go in the forums back door, It's libel to hit you where it hurts.

Stay well. Stay Safe!
Enjoy the day!
Jersey

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