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Sharkley

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iconnumber posted 08-17-2009 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharkley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am interested in finding out information on William Brennan & the grand prize, he won in Helsinki, Finland, for his millennium design named, "Sophisticated Simplicity". We own one of the sets & would like more history about it & Mr. Brennan. We know that he was the head of Westmoreland Silver & personally designed the famed "Enchanting Orchid" pattern. Thanks so much for any info or links, that you can send my way!

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DB

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Westmoreland Sterling was a Division of The Aluminium Cooking Utensil Company - I have an etiquette booklet :Nancy Prentiss: Your Dreams come true, published by Westmoreland Sterling 1949 - they claim here to be "the largest distributor of Sterling silver in the world" - it was a homeservice club, silver was sold through parties and consultants just like Tupperware. You find also useful info about this firm on the Replacement website - it says there that Westmoreland Silver was founded in 1940 by Wearever Aluminium Inc. and Wallace Silversmiths. Their patterns include Enchanting Orchid, George and Martha Washington, John and Priscilla, Lady Hilton and Milburn Rose, today many of the Westmoreland patterns are produced by Wallace Silversmiths.
I just see that this is your first post, so the administrators will probably ask you to introduce yourself.

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Sharkley

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharkley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DB, Thanks for the note. Interesting information. The tea service, in question, is not yet for sale on the open market. Is there some where to get an appraisal on it?
Is it better to sell it off, before it is open to the public, after it's available or after the designer, passes away (Heaven Forbid)? Again, Thanks so much!!

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Originally posted by Sharkley:
I am interested in finding out information on William Brennan & the grand prize, he won in Helsinki, Finland, for his millennium design named, "Sophisticated Simplicity". We own one of the sets & would like more history about it & Mr. Brennan. We know that he was the head of Westmoreland Silver & personally designed the famed "Enchanting Orchid" pattern. Thanks so much for any info or links, that you can send my way!

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DB,

Clearly Sharkley hasn't read the Guidelines or the info at the start of this page which is in the green and yellow boxes. This is why we encourage members to first ask the new member to:

  • Post a picture
    It's not hard and will go a long way to getting an accurate answer.
    Everything you need to know can be found in How to Post Photos (click here).
    If you can't take a picture, try a drawing.
  • Tell us the Why of your question
    We're not being snoopy; knowing will help us help you:
    What is your interest in silver?
    What is it that you hope to learn from this question?
    What is your purpose in asking?
  • If you have not read the Guidelines (click here), please do so now
    There are some questions we won't answer, like "How much is this worth?"

*** NO pre-sales/auction research or valuation questions. ***

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Sharkley

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharkley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clearly, you must be a narcissist & more interested in lessoning to yourself talk, than trying to help people. Not that it is any of your business, but the silver set is my mom's. She died 2 weeks ago & we are trying to get info to sell the set to cover the funeral costs. By the way, the reply was to DB & not you. I wanted to start a conversation with him & get his opinion. You were welcome to chime in, but show that you are an adult, rather than replying like a CHILD! A persons life isn't measured by their ability to belittle people, but by the number of friends they have. Sorry that you are soooooo lonely. Were you bullied in school or were you the bully & have NEVER grown up. I am guessing the latter! Thanks so much for your insightful words. You can now take me off of your forum for good. There are a lot of better sites that I am corresponding with currently. Real people, humans, with a heart. Reminds me of a song the was made just for you "If I only had a heart, a brain, the courage". No, courage is not bulling someone from the other side of a computer. That is plane cowardliness! Regards to everyone else on the site that might read this. I hope you get friendly, more respectable answers than this one from my new buddy, Scott. Scott,you can't even imagine what I am wishing for you!!!

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DB,

Clearly Sharkley hasn't read the Guidelines or the info at the start of this page which is in the green and yellow boxes. This is why we encourage members to first ask the new member to:

  • [b]Post a picture
    It's not hard and will go a long way to getting an accurate answer.
    Everything you need to know can be found in How to Post Photos (click here).
    If you can't take a picture, try a drawing.
  • Tell us the Why of your question
    We're not being snoopy; knowing will help us help you:
    What is your interest in silver?
    What is it that you hope to learn from this question?
    What is your purpose in asking?
  • If you have not read the Guidelines (click here), please do so now
    There are some questions we won't answer, like "How much is this worth?"

*** NO pre-sales/auction research or valuation questions. ***

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Dale

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dale     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Condolences on your loss Sharkley. Losing a mother is never easy, and I know the sorrow it brings.

We do not do appraisals here, nor do we reccomend dealers. Many of our members do appraise and deal in silver, so a picture might spike some interest. There are also dealers online to whom you could offer it.

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry for your loss.

If you had read the Guidelines and/or read the green and yellow boxes at the start of this pages then things might have gotten off to a better start.

We are not the place to conduct business research.

I chose to look at your name calling as the result of the difficulty you are experiencing with the loss of a parent.

In time, if you develop a personal interest in discussing silver, without the business overtones, we hope you return.

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DB

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sharkley's response was surely unfortunate and please don't misunderstand, I am very far away trying to change the guidelines for this very successful Forum - but let's be honest, no info or knowledge stands alone in space and since we live in a commercial society, the thoughts:- What is it worth, can I sell it when I need to? - are never far off anybody's mind.

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Sharkley

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharkley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dale, you are a gentleman! Thanks for the help. I didn't want a price from anyone or to sell it on this site. I have NO clue as to what the silver market is about & was just hoping for some help. Thanks for your time & response. Thanks also for your sympathy.

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Condolences on your loss Sharkley. Losing a mother is never easy, and I know the sorrow it brings.

We do not do appraisals here, nor do we recommend dealers. Many of our members do appraise and deal in silver, so a picture might spike some interest. There are also dealers online to whom you could offer it.


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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Appraisals

Ask 10 people on the street what an appraisal is and how an appraisal is done and you will get 10 very different answers. The common thread heard is that an appraisal tells you "what it is worth" and is usually obtained by "asking/calling a dealer." In the simplest of terms this is generally correct. However, please don't contact us or any professional appraiser requesting a phone or email appraisal because if you need the appraisal for legal, tax, business, insurance, replacement, damage, loss, charitable gift, gift, estate, equitable distribution and/or other professional reasons a phone or an email appraisal will prove to be very inadequate.

A professional appraiser cannot appraise your silver without personally inspecting it. Please don't waste your time asking for an appraisal based solely on your description or photographs. When you deal with a trained professional appraiser, one who belongs to one of the personal property appraisal associations (AAA, ASA, ISA), you will receive a documented comparative analysis as a written appraisal. A professionally written appraisal comes at the conclusion of a series of very specific and uniform steps which include: personal inspection, research, documentation and a comparative market study. A professionally written appraisal will conform to a standard called USPAP or Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice. Your appraisal when done properly can take a considerable amount of time so be prepared to compensate the professional appraiser accordingly. Also be sure that the appraiser specializes in the types of items being appraised.

When you ask for and get a verbal or a "seat of the pants" written opinion this is not an appraisal, it is only a guesstimate. When asking a dealer for their opinion, remember they have to balance what they tell you. The dealers guesstimate usually falls somewhere between what they would buy it from you for, what they would sell it to you for and what they think will make you happy. This is not an objective opinion and so the declared value could be way off either way.


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Sharkley

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 06:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharkley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that you deserve a response, but you still don't get being a human in our society.
I read the forum outlines & wasn't asking to sell it or ask someone opinion on its value. I just wanted some opinions. I have already received, useful information, from a very intelligent person in another site. Some great leads. To talk about silver, you have to have silver, or just be a wannabe! To have silver, you have to buy silver, which means, someone has to sell silver. Not like the Nazis that just took it. That being the buy & sell side of the business. A very important part. If you want to just talk about the fancy scrolling & hinge design, than I am in the wrong forum. If that is all that this is for, than please get a life!
I only wanted help

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Originally posted by Scott Martin:
I am sorry for your loss.

If you had read the Guidelines and/or read the green and yellow boxes at the start of this pages then things might have gotten off to a better start.

We are not the place to conduct business research.

I chose to look at your name calling as the result of the difficulty you are experiencing with the loss of a parent.

In time, if you develop a personal interest in discussing silver, without the business overtones, we hope you return.


[This message has been edited by Sharkley (edited 08-18-2009).]

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Sharkley

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharkley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely understand the way appraisals work. We currently have it insured for 1 million plus. Again, I was only asking a simple question, of someones opinion on the legitimacy of some companies. And NO, I didn't pull the million figure out of the blue. It has been used for taxes & insurance needs. I'm not talking a Barbie Tea Set that turn blue with cold water. DB, no need to apologize, not everyone, on this site, is a brainiack like my new friend! The only apology needed is that is sight isn't friendlier!

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Originally posted by Scott Martin:
[QUOTE]Appraisals

Ask 10 people on the street what an appraisal is and how an appraisal is done and you will get 10 very different answers. The common thread heard is that an appraisal tells you "what it is worth" and is usually obtained by "asking/calling a dealer." In the simplest of terms this is generally correct. However, please don't contact us or any professional appraiser requesting a phone or email appraisal because if you need the appraisal for legal, tax, business, insurance, replacement, damage, loss, charitable gift, gift, estate, equitable distribution and/or other professional reasons a phone or an email appraisal will prove to be very inadequate.

A professional appraiser cannot appraise your silver without personally inspecting it. Please don't waste your time asking for an appraisal based solely on your description or photographs. When you deal with a trained professional appraiser, one who belongs to one of the personal property appraisal associations (AAA, ASA, ISA), you will receive a documented comparative analysis as a written appraisal. A professionally written appraisal comes at the conclusion of a series of very specific and uniform steps which include: personal inspection, research, documentation and a comparative market study. A professionally written appraisal will conform to a standard called USPAP or Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice. Your appraisal when done properly can take a considerable amount of time so be prepared to compensate the professional appraiser accordingly. Also be sure that the appraiser specializes in the types of items being appraised.

When you ask for and get a verbal or a "seat of the pants" written opinion this is not an appraisal, it is only a guesstimate. When asking a dealer for their opinion, remember they have to balance what they tell you. The dealers guesstimate usually falls somewhere between what they would buy it from you for, what they would sell it to you for and what they think will make you happy. This is not an objective opinion and so the declared value could be way off either way.


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bascall

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 07:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bascall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sharkley,

Please accept my condolences as well for the loss of your mother.

Your are a perceptive person, and I believe you do understand what we are about. For the most part a lot of good is done for folks here. We all gain each time a new topic is raised and discussed.

Unfortunately, often when people first post it is difficult to tell that any attention has been paid to the guidelines even if it has. So we have to look for an overt indication that folks are "onboard" with what can be expected from this forum and what is in turn expected from participants.

If you can picture how often Scott repeats this same process to some degree that we are going through right now, you may agree that his humaness does come out. Is he a bit jaded at times like this, and I doubt he will appreciate me saying this? Quite likely so, but I only hope that you will come to understand why.

My sincere wish is that we can get past this rocky beginning. There are some really talented people here that will often be entirely at your disposal.

Welcome to the forums and good luck with your research!

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Sharkley

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sharkley     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thank You!
You have proved that there are some helpful, "courteous" people, that respond.

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Originally posted by bascall:
Sharkley,

Please accept my condolences as well for the loss of your mother.

Your are a perceptive person, and I believe you do understand what we are about. For the most part a lot of good is done for folks here. We all gain each time a new topic is raised and discussed.

Unfortunately, often when people first post it is difficult to tell that any attention has been paid to the guidelines even if it has. So we have to look for an overt indication that folks are "onboard" with what can be expected from this forum and what is in turn expected from participants.

If you can picture how often Scott repeats this same process to some degree that we are going through right now, you may agree that his humaness does come out. Is he a bit jaded at times like this, and I doubt he will appreciate me saying this? Quite likely so, but I only hope that you will come to understand why.

My sincere wish is that we can get past this rocky beginning. There are some really talented people here that will often be entirely at your disposal.

Welcome to the forums and good luck with your research!


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dragonflywink

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iconnumber posted 08-18-2009 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dragonflywink     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
With sincere condolences on the loss of your mother, must say that your response to Scott was rude regardless of the circumstances. You launched into a personal assault on someone who spends a good deal of time and resources to maintain an excellent website for silver-lovers and asks only that certain requirements be met for participipation, but leaves the entire forum open for anyone to search through for information. You may not have liked his comment, but at no point was Scott rude to you and simply did not deserve to be treated so badly.

~Cheryl

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Scott Martin
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iconnumber posted 08-19-2009 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scott Martin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you DB, Dale, bascall & Dragonflywink (Cheryl) for your support.

I think it is time to close this thread.

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