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Scott Reed unregistered |
posted 08-01-2003 11:30 PM
 
Hello, I have a demitasse silver-gilt cup and saucer with a porcelain insert that is highly detailed with design. It is very neoclassical in shape. I will soon have some images. The marks are from left to right: A sort of crescent shape, followed by what looks like a pelican, with the beak to the left, then 800 and then there is what looks like an eagle with spread wings. Next, there is an odd looking sort of figure 8. To the side, a short distance, is what looks like J7. Are these marks familiar to anyone? Thanks. Scott IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 08-07-2003 07:30 AM
recieved via e-mail: quote: Hello Scott Reed, The Continental Silver Forum came into existence at the request of forum members. See German Hallmark database? It is an un-moderated forum (any volunteers?? In the instant world of the Internet, it might seem like there should have been a response in less than a week. But the realities of silver research is that most of it is offline and can require hours (days, weeks, years) of paging through old books, libraries and historical archives. And since much of the continental silver research material is not in English the process becomes even slower. The Continental Silver Forum is as active as forum participants like yourself make it. It can take awhile for a question to get a response. It is possible that no one knows and the question will never be answered. Here are a few things that could help:
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 08-07-2003 12:32 PM
A crescent and a pelican? Does your mark look anything like this? If so, the crescent is a moon (used for silver, a circle representing the sun was used for gold) and the "pelican" possibly is a worn or mis-struck crown signifying united Germany introduced by law in 1886. 800 signifies the purity of the silver (ie 80% pure) Patrick IP: Logged |
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Scott Reed unregistered |
posted 08-07-2003 04:03 PM
Thanks, very much Scott and Patrick for your posts. I have heard in the past that German silver can be difficult to trace. I PROMISE, I PROMISE to put on images - It will be soon. One question for the moment - With this piece having an 800 mark, does it automatically make it German or did other countries use the 800 mark as well? Thanks, again to both of you. Scott Reed IP: Logged |
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Patrick Vyvyan Posts: 640 |
posted 08-07-2003 04:55 PM
800 is a very common mark just about worldwide - sometimes used officially, as with Germany, and often just as a guide put on by the maker with little or no legal authority. IP: Logged |
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Scott Reed unregistered |
posted 08-08-2003 01:23 PM
Thanks, again Patrick. Here are the marks on the cup and the saucer. The image with marks over to the right side looks like "J7" Best, Scott Reed IP: Logged |
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Charles C Cage unregistered |
posted 10-27-2003 11:49 AM
The "spread eagle" mark - in varying forms - was used by several companies in Germany in the late 19th - early 20th century. German manufacturer's marks of that period are quite similar to American ones in that they are often some sort of cypher or device, rather than a straightforward name or initials. That being said, far and away the most prolific silver maker using a "spread eagle" mark was Peter Bruckmann & Söhne of Heilbronn. They were working 1805-1973 and, at the time of WWI, were the largest manufacturer of silver in Germany. I'm 90% sure that the mark pictured is is Bruckmann's. IP: Logged |
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Anuh Posts: 190 |
posted 10-27-2003 08:46 PM
I would like to ask that you ALSO list the marks that exist on the porcelain insert. If this is German made, the chances are that they are using a German manufacturer of porcelain as a source for their cup inserts. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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