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wizard

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iconnumber posted 01-14-2006 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wizard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[07-0309]

I am trying to identify the city of this kakoshnik and the maker; date before 1908? Appreciate an experts help.

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-14-2006 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wizard,

The mark was introduced in 1896 and in use until 1908, when the women's head was turned to the right. The initials behind the woman's head are those of the assayer, perhaps Aleksandra Zimirovicha Viurzhikovskogo (1899-1908)- the initials "AB" in cyrillic. I think he may have been the assayer for St. Petersburg, but I don't have a complete list of assayers and their districts. In 1908, the state adopted a uniform set of marks (Greek letters) for each district independent of the assayer. See the recent post "Russian spoon" under my name in which Sazikov lists the district offices.

I am sure Sazikov and/or Blackstone, the real experts in this area, will clarify matters.

Tom

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blakstone

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iconnumber posted 01-14-2006 10:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not to step on Sazikov's toes, but I believe the assayer here is Aleksandr Kazimirovich Vyrshikov of Kiev. (The St. Petersburg assayers were Yakov Lyapunov [1899-April 1904] and Aleksandr Vasileyevich Romanov [April 1904-1908].)

The Kiev origin is also given away by the maker "IEZ" (transliterated) - a very, very prolific Kiev maker - whom I have heard identified as Igor Zavyanov (see this thread (Russian help)).

I've often wondered what Sazikov makes of this attribution. Do you think it is correct? Have you ever heard of Zavyanov?

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 01-14-2006 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Blackstone,

I think you misunderstoond my refence to Sazikov's post. He provided me with the post 1908 assay districts and is not the source of my obviously mistaken conjecture. Your conclusion is obviously correct. If you get a chance, please look at my Russian spoon question!

Happy New Year,
Tom

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wizard

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iconnumber posted 01-15-2006 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wizard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much to Tom and Blackstone for their deciphering. I really enjoy your responses. A great learning resource for me. At least I got the date right by myself and as you can see my pictures are improving...using photobucket which I recommend.
Muray

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sazikov2000

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blakstone is absolutely correct. One can find innumerable vodka beakers etc. with the maker's mark of IEZ (lat.). There are not so many makers in Kiev that a maker with that output could be unknown, but the literature do not tell anything. My recherch in Russian museums revealed the following: Postnikova-Loseva is not up-date, the book is from 1995, in the last 11 years many marks and names have been deciphered - but a new book is not in sight. I was given the name of IEZ as Igor Efimowitsch Zawjanov. Until there is a revised Postnikova-Loseva I must believe what I heard.

Sazikov 2000

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IJP

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I don't mean to state the obvious, but just as a clarification, the maker that blakstone and Sazikov2000 refer to would be the Cyrillic Игopь Зaвянoвь (do forgive any spelling error), which according to English phonetics would best be transliterated as Igor Zavyanov, and according to German, as Igor Zawjanov. But there you have it: Our two best authorities on Continental European silverwork have both cited the same name as the proper designation for the mark ИEЗ. I can't imagine any more assuring information than that!

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wizard

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iconnumber posted 01-17-2006 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for wizard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks again to Sazokov and Blackstone and IJP for further clarification.
Wizard

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