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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 01-28-2007 11:53 PM
  
This box seems to be German late 18C or early 19C. The lid depicts Martin Luther and lists his dates. There are three marks on the bottom. I think the "N" stands for Nuremburg manufacture. I can't quite read what the name stamped on the bottom is. Can anybody pin down the date/maker a little better? IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 02-05-2007 12:13 AM
In view of the religious subject matter on this box, could this be a rosary box rather than a snuff box? Also, I wonder on what occasion the box was made? The words around the portrait read "D. M. LUTHER N: 1483 DEN: 1546" IP: Logged |
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vathek Posts: 966 |
posted 02-05-2007 07:20 AM
Would Lutherans have used a rosary? IP: Logged |
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tmockait Posts: 963 |
posted 02-05-2007 11:50 AM
The dates are those of Luther's birth and death, the "D" in front of his name for "Doktor". No, Lutherans do not use Rosaries. The Reformers objected to veneration of saints in general and Mary in particular. The box may have been made to commemorate the anniversary of his birth or some other event in his life or that of the Lutheran Church. The shape of the "N" and punch suggests 18th c., though I would not swear by that. The mark is definitely pre-unification German, which raises the intritquing question as to why a silversmith in Catholic Bavaria is making a Lutheran box. There could not have been much of a local market for it. Tom [This message has been edited by tmockait (edited 02-05-2007).] IP: Logged |
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Paul Lemieux Posts: 1792 |
posted 02-05-2007 12:03 PM
Well, religion was never my strong suit. So maybe it is just a commemorative piece with no Lutheran significance. Perhaps it was made in 1783 to commemorate the tricentennial of ML's death. IP: Logged |
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blakstone Posts: 493 |
posted 02-29-2008 02:13 AM
The newly released Nürnberger Goldschmiedekunst I discuss in this thread ( Nuremberg spoon) sheds some light on this little box. It states that after the free city of Nuremburg passed to Bavaria following the dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire in 1806, the Bavarian lion - the mark here on the left, upside-down and well-worn - was placed alongside the Nuremburg "N" from 1808 until 1820 (when the cursive "N" was introduced). That dates this piece within 12 years. Further, your piece helps identity the maker "Winter" (as a clearer picture of this maker's mark in the book shows it to read). The book tentatively attributes this mark - # 974b - to Christian Gottfried Ferdinand Winter (1828-1881); but clearly he could not have made a piece dating to at least eight years before he was born! Rather, the only possibility for the maker is Caspar Gottlieb Winter (1782-1852), Master 1806-1850; all the other Winters listed were not working early enough. Summing up: Nuremburg, 1808-1820, by Caspar Gottlieb Winter (1782-1852), Master 1806. Hope this helps! IP: Logged |
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