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SusanT

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iconnumber posted 08-28-2006 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SusanT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Could this posting be added to the “835 Silver” thread restarted in the “General Forum”?

I have a pair of silver filigree lorgnettes of my mother’s and would love to know manufacturer or at least country of origin. As they are stamped with “835”, I suspect they are Dutch, Germany, Belgium or one of the Scandinavian countries. They probably date from the late 19th century? Description: folded 3¼", open 4" across. Filigree, open-work, handle that has a loop for chain or pin. Stamps on inside rim of the spring bridge: "835", "IMP". 835 does mean low-grade silver content, doesn’t it, and that it is not silverplate? Is this in Art Nouveau style? Here are pics:

TIA.

--- Susan

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 08-28-2006 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Susan,

Very nice. I can say that marking is not typical German (crown and crescent moon for late 19th c.) or Duch (perseus head). 835 should signify 83.5% pr silver. I wonder if the letters are those of the lens maker. Just a thought.

Tom

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SusanT

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iconnumber posted 08-28-2006 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SusanT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tom,
    ...not typical German (crown and crescent moon for late 19th c.) or Duch (perseus head)...

Thank you for ruling out Germany and Holland.
    I wonder if the letters are those of the lens maker.

Probably. However, I also wondered if IMP might stand for Imperial. I have see IMP on Mexican jewelry like "elma 925 IMP SA STERLING MEXICO" and "SILVER 925 TAXCO IMP", and associated with old Roman and UK silver coins. If it stands for Imperial, then the country of origin might be one that had a ruling family at time of manufacturing like Austria, Germany, Denmark, etc.

Thank you, Tom, for your input.

--- Susan

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tmockait

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iconnumber posted 08-28-2006 10:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tmockait     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Susan,

That could be possible, but the German word for empire is "reich", which would not be abbreviated "imp". The Dutch is close to the German.

Tom

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Raf Steel

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iconnumber posted 09-03-2006 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Raf Steel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually the most common alloy in Holland was and is 833/1000. Not 835. This alloy was used in Belgium after WO II, but then it was stamped in an oval an preceded with an "A": "A835". So I don't think it's Belgian either.
Raf

By the way, couldn't the "Imp" stand for "imported" or "importé" in French?

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SusanT

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iconnumber posted 09-05-2006 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SusanT     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Raf,

Thank you for the eliminating Holland and Belgian.

    >By the way, couldn't the "Imp" stand for "imported" or "importé" in French?<

Hmmmm.... interesting! I had thought about France at one time because they were known for manufacturing elegant lorgnettes. At that time, I scanned a couple of lorgnettes collector sites with the great majority of them made in France finding none with these marks. Nowwww with your thought of "IMP" might be imported, etc... I'll keep a French lookout.

Thank you for your input!

--- Susan

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vathek

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A little late but is it possible they might be white gold?

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Gaspare

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iconnumber posted 08-12-2009 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gaspare     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm with those that say German.

The 835 was common to be used in the late 30s thru to the end of WW2 in Germany. The crown and crescent moon was rarely used during that period.

The IMP could be a number of things, things we might never know!

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