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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-22-1999 01:38 PM
  
This is a continuation of the thread Fakes posted 07-01-99 11:08 PM in the General Silver Forum Fakes IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-22-1999 01:51 PM
Here is a recent ebay posting. What do you think? ---------------- eBay item number:130977017 Description: IP: Logged |
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Cheryl and Richard Posts: 154 |
posted 07-22-1999 02:17 PM
It appears that someone took (an injured?) teaspoon, ground down the bowl and then put some holes in it. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 07-22-1999 02:32 PM
So they did this to a teaspoon to create this piece. Does this make it a fake or remanufactured or both? IP: Logged |
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Bob and Carol Carnighan Posts: 63 |
posted 07-22-1999 04:39 PM
An interesting Ebay posting. The copy was almost as interesting as the image. The periphery of and the piercing in the bowl are not Shiebler. One high end midwest dealer uses the term: made up. In his catalog you will note: mu. He has an American Beauty cheese scoop that is "mu". The symmetry of the piece suggests that this is a stamped piece rather than cut by hand. Remember the bowl shape; you will see many more. Bargains in Silver has offered its teaspoon conversion dies for sale. IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 11-15-1999 11:31 AM
Carissa brought to our attention these "Fancy Ice Cream Forks" which are being sold on eBay. I agree with her that these are "re-manufactured" teaspoons. Tony emailed us the following about the above: quote: It is unclear whether the eBay seller knows these are re-manufactured. I guess that a knowledgeable buyer would immediately recognize these as re-manufactured. An unknowledgeable buyer, who is trying to rebuild his grandmothers vintage or antique sterling set, could believe these are an original vintage/antique form. MidweSterling doesn't stamp/mark these as re-manufactured. IP: Logged |
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Trefid Posts: 96 |
posted 02-18-2000 02:20 PM
 My everyday set is American Silver's plated VINTAGE pattern. While there were over 100 different pieces eventually made in this pattern from 1904 to about 1910, the above examples weren't among them. The piercing on the tablespoon is recent but well done, and a modern sterling teaball has been grafted with a pointed drop to a teaspoon. I designate them as "made up" in my catalogue, and I'm glad to have them.
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Brent Posts: 1507 |
posted 03-07-2000 11:02 PM
One question that springs to mind is: Where are all of these fakes and replicas coming from? I am referring to the new editions of old flatware patterns, not altered old pieces. I know that some old patterns are being made by the original companies or their successors, but other pieces seem to be "unauthorized" reproductions. Any idea where they are coming from? I know that in my area there are at least a couple of businesses wholesaling fakes to the trade. From what I have heard, they mostly sell glass, pottery and porcelain, especially Tiffany glass and Nippon, R.S. Prussia and Roseville. I wonder if this new flatware isn't being made overseas and coming to market through dealers like them. In my experience, the most common reproduction silver pieces are salt spoons. It is actually difficult to find real salt spoons amongst all the fakes on the market these days. IP: Logged |
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t-man-nc Posts: 327 |
posted 04-13-2000 09:31 PM
The ones i've seen on EBAY have been comming from the far east (that's what the dealer says. I am some what supprised to receive some Clearly stated "Estate" pieces, that have been faked, and "RM" being sold by some of the largest dealers on the web...? As a collector, I feel defrauded by these dealers, and would love to expose these frauds, but fear legal action. any suggestions...? IP: Logged |
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Scott Martin Forum Master Posts: 11520 |
posted 05-24-2000 10:59 AM
This post is contined in the General Silver Forum in the thread (click below): Fakes continued - post #3 IP: Logged |
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