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hello

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iconnumber posted 06-13-2005 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hello     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[26-0490]

Considering there is what looks to be a headhunter at the base above the bowl of the spoon, I don't think it's an apostle spoon(although it is in the same fashion).

However, do not have the slightest clue as to the hallmarks.


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iconnumber posted 06-18-2005 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,

Your spoon was produced in Hanau, Germany in the late 19th C. The silversmiths of Hanau specialized in reproductions of much older pieces, as well as fantasy interpretations like yours. The marks are typical of Hanau; old looking, in some cases direct copies of published marks from European countries, but meaningless. They are definitely not oriental.

If you look closely at the surface of the spoon bowl, you will see that the look of great age has been faked through various means.

Hope this helps!

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2005 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blakstone     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brent is certainly on the right track. They are definitely pseudomarks, but not from Hanau. I've been cataloguing various Hanau pseudomarks for some time now, and they just don't resemble any I've ever come across.

I think they're Dutch; the Netherlands was also notorious for the use of "fantasy" marks on reproduction wares, of which "Apostle" spoons such as this were common.

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2005 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for IJP     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For information about the the Hanau silversmiths and their pseudomarks, please visit

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iconnumber posted 06-18-2005 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hello     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did get the feeling that this was done to make it look old (instead it just makes it look like a really bad silversmith), just because the detail is sharp in some areas, and then just really bad in others. It certainly does appear to be some kind of fake. Thanks for the help. Anyone know if they are still made with some form of real silver (now that I know they are fakes I sort of suspect they are also silver plate) because if they are plated, I am just going to pitch them out and save future generations the angst of researching them smile

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iconnumber posted 06-20-2005 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cannon50     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been wondering myself how most collectors determine if a questionable piece is really silver. My crude test is to see how well it conducts heat using an ice cube. Sterliing is a great conductor and most other metals are much slower in this respect. With a spoon, I just put a small cube of ice in the bowl and feel the handle for the temperature change. Usually silver takes about 5 seconds and plated ware about 20 to 30 seconds.

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iconnumber posted 06-20-2005 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Brent     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are not "fakes" per se, though they can fool. They are made of solid silver, though not of a particularly high grade. Please don't throw them away; they are antique and people do collect them. They just aren't what they appear to be at first glance.

Blakstone is right, the Dutch also made these sorts of things.

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